From schwartz@bitstorm.net Fri Aug 03 06:34:18 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? From: Jeff Schwartz Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 08:34:18 -0400 -------- Quick Question: > > Temperatures may >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! And > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns for ducks >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill you and >your family for what you have. Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I don't think "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at -95f...) So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive climate change happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average temps. Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it freezes, the impurities should go toward one end of the ice. Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so getting meat will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. What animals are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it really rough, how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", but I'm thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking at quite a bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the snow off the greenhouse? Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From tessasod@air.on.ca Fri Aug 03 17:39:07 2001 To: Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? From: "Tessa" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 19:39:07 -0400 -------- I didn't see the original post, sounds definitely interesting, not to many roving bands of anything at those temps, take a look at life in the Antarctic and the lack of life there too, at 90 or 100 degrees below people would freeze to death in no time, never mind trying to start some form of transport. Build your greenhouse under the snow with artifical light and the snow for insulation. Everything would have to move underground, or undersnow I'd be thinking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Schwartz" To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? Quick Question: > > Temperatures may >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! And > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns for ducks >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill you and >your family for what you have. Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I don't think "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at -95f...) So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive climate change happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average temps. Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it freezes, the impurities should go toward one end of the ice. Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so getting meat will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. What animals are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it really rough, how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", but I'm thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking at quite a bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the snow off the greenhouse? Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From dustyut@lasal.net Fri Aug 03 23:59:46 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? From: Dusty Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 23:59:46 -0600 -------- Speaking of birdies, I used to go duck hunting with my slingshot when I was a kid. Got a few ducks without much problem. Carl Tessa wrote: > > I didn't see the original post, sounds definitely interesting, not to > many > roving bands of anything at those temps, take a look at life in the > Antarctic and the lack of life there too, at 90 or 100 degrees below > people > would freeze to death in no time, never mind trying to start some form > of > transport. Build your greenhouse under the snow with artifical light > and the > snow for insulation. Everything would have to move underground, or > undersnow > I'd be thinking. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Schwartz" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:34 AM > Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? > > Quick Question: > > > > > Temperatures may > >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! > > And > > > > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns for ducks > >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be > >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill you and > >your family for what you have. > > Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I don't > think > "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? > > (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at -95f...) > > So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive climate > change > happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average temps. > > Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it freezes, > the > impurities should go toward one end of the ice. > > Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so getting > meat > will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. What > animals > are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? > > Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it really > rough, > how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", but > I'm > thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking at > quite a > bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the snow > off > the greenhouse? > > Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- "Single men live to eat and mate, and get exceedingly cranky when interrupted in either endeavor...." Annonymous female poster in e-mail list ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From baxtrom@home.com Fri Aug 03 19:11:06 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Birds and tempature? From: "Bax" Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 01:11:06 -0000 -------- In 90 to 100 degrees below zero, artificial light probably won't be possible. I doubt the grid would still be intact and unless you've stockpiled several tons of fuel it won't be happening. --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Tessa" wrote: > I didn't see the original post, sounds definitely interesting, not to many > roving bands of anything at those temps, take a look at life in the > Antarctic and the lack of life there too, at 90 or 100 degrees below people > would freeze to death in no time, never mind trying to start some form of > transport. Build your greenhouse under the snow with artifical light and the > snow for insulation. Everything would have to move underground, or undersnow > I'd be thinking. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Schwartz" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:34 AM > Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? > > > > Quick Question: > > > > > Temperatures may > >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! > > And > > > > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns for ducks > >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be > >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill you and > >your family for what you have. > > > Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I don't think > "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? > > (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at - 95f...) > > So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive climate change > happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average temps. > > Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it freezes, the > impurities should go toward one end of the ice. > > Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so getting meat > will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. What animals > are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? > > Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it really rough, > how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", but I'm > thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking at quite a > bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the snow off > the greenhouse? > > Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Group webpage: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From icblood@yahoo.com Fri Aug 03 19:51:07 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Birds and tempature? From: "Jerome M." Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 01:51:07 -0000 -------- Bax, I'm fairly sure that in the antarctic some of those outposts have windmills...I think I read about one at an outpost in a paragraph in National Geographic. Dragonfly --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Bax" wrote: > In 90 to 100 degrees below zero, artificial light probably won't be > possible. I doubt the grid would still be intact and unless you've > stockpiled several tons of fuel it won't be happening. > > > --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Tessa" wrote: > > I didn't see the original post, sounds definitely interesting, not > to many > > roving bands of anything at those temps, take a look at life in the > > Antarctic and the lack of life there too, at 90 or 100 degrees > below people > > would freeze to death in no time, never mind trying to start some > form of > > transport. Build your greenhouse under the snow with artifical > light and the > > snow for insulation. Everything would have to move underground, or > undersnow > > I'd be thinking. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Schwartz" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:34 AM > > Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? > > > > > > > > Quick Question: > > > > > > > > Temperatures may > > >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! > > > > And > > > > > > > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns for > ducks > > >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be > > >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill you > and > > >your family for what you have. > > > > > > Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I don't > think > > "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? > > > > (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at - > 95f...) > > > > So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive climate > change > > happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average > temps. > > > > Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it > freezes, the > > impurities should go toward one end of the ice. > > > > Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so > getting meat > > will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. What > animals > > are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? > > > > Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it > really rough, > > how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", but > I'm > > thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking at > quite a > > bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the > snow off > > the greenhouse? > > > > Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > Group webpage: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From baxtrom@home.com Fri Aug 03 19:57:23 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Birds and tempature? From: "Bax" Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 01:57:23 -0000 -------- Now there's something I hadn't thought of. Windmills in extreme temps. Do you know of any online references? Now that you've mentioned that, I'm wondering about geo-thermal. --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Jerome M." wrote: > Bax, > > I'm fairly sure that in the antarctic some of those outposts have > windmills...I think I read about one at an outpost in a paragraph in > National Geographic. > > Dragonfly > > > --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Bax" wrote: > > In 90 to 100 degrees below zero, artificial light probably won't be > > possible. I doubt the grid would still be intact and unless you've > > stockpiled several tons of fuel it won't be happening. > > > > > > --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Tessa" > wrote: > > > I didn't see the original post, sounds definitely interesting, not > > to many > > > roving bands of anything at those temps, take a look at life in > the > > > Antarctic and the lack of life there too, at 90 or 100 degrees > > below people > > > would freeze to death in no time, never mind trying to start some > > form of > > > transport. Build your greenhouse under the snow with artifical > > light and the > > > snow for insulation. Everything would have to move underground, or > > undersnow > > > I'd be thinking. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeff Schwartz" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:34 AM > > > Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick Question: > > > > > > > > > > > Temperatures may > > > >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns for > > ducks > > > >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be > > > >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill you > > and > > > >your family for what you have. > > > > > > > > > Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I don't > > think > > > "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? > > > > > > (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at - > > 95f...) > > > > > > So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive climate > > change > > > happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average > > temps. > > > > > > Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it > > freezes, the > > > impurities should go toward one end of the ice. > > > > > > Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so > > getting meat > > > will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. What > > animals > > > are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? > > > > > > Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it > > really rough, > > > how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", > but > > I'm > > > thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking at > > quite a > > > bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the > > snow off > > > the greenhouse? > > > > > > Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > Group webpage: > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/DROolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com Group webpage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From icblood@yahoo.com Fri Aug 03 23:44:50 2001 To: misc_survivalism_moderated@yahoogroups.com Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Re: Birds and tempature? From: "Jerome M." Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 05:44:50 -0000 -------- I don't know any online references, but I'll ask around. I should be able to turn up some information. I don't know much about geothermal, but it shouldn't be too difficult to run a hot line underground...it would have to be dug pretty deep though, for those types of temperatures. Dragonfly --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Bax" wrote: > Now there's something I hadn't thought of. Windmills in extreme temps. > Do you know of any online references? > > Now that you've mentioned that, I'm wondering about geo-thermal. > > > --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Jerome M." > wrote: > > Bax, > > > > I'm fairly sure that in the antarctic some of those outposts have > > windmills...I think I read about one at an outpost in a paragraph > in > > National Geographic. > > > > Dragonfly > > > > > > --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Bax" wrote: > > > In 90 to 100 degrees below zero, artificial light probably won't > be > > > possible. I doubt the grid would still be intact and unless > you've > > > stockpiled several tons of fuel it won't be happening. > > > > > > > > > --- In misc_survivalism_moderated@y..., "Tessa" > > wrote: > > > > I didn't see the original post, sounds definitely interesting, > not > > > to many > > > > roving bands of anything at those temps, take a look at life in > > the > > > > Antarctic and the lack of life there too, at 90 or 100 degrees > > > below people > > > > would freeze to death in no time, never mind trying to start > some > > > form of > > > > transport. Build your greenhouse under the snow with artifical > > > light and the > > > > snow for insulation. Everything would have to move underground, > or > > > undersnow > > > > I'd be thinking. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jeff Schwartz" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:34 AM > > > > Subject: [misc_survivalism_moderated] Birds and tempature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick Question: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Temperatures may > > > > >drop as low as 90-100 degrees below zero! > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6. Guns and ammunition. .22 rifles for small game. Shotguns > for > > > ducks > > > > >and game birds. Also hand guns for self defense. There may be > > > > >marauding bands of criminals who will seek to rob you or kill > you > > > and > > > > >your family for what you have. > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, real quick here - If the temp is 90-100 below zero, I > don't > > > think > > > > "ducks and game birds" are gonna be much of an issue, eh? > > > > > > > > (Image of a Daffy-Duck style bird trying to swim in a pond at - > > > 95f...) > > > > > > > > So, let's presume the original poster's idea of a massive > climate > > > change > > > > happens, and we get a sudden drop of, oh, about 150f in average > > > temps. > > > > > > > > Water purification becomes easier, I'd think, in that as it > > > freezes, the > > > > impurities should go toward one end of the ice. > > > > > > > > Hunting - most animals will freeze to death, then not rot, so > > > getting meat > > > > will be kinda like gathering berries.... for a while, anyway. > What > > > animals > > > > are going to be able to quickly adapt to these temps? > > > > > > > > Shelter and heat - just like the animals are going to have it > > > really rough, > > > > how do we get along? The orignal post mentioned "lined gloves", > > but > > > I'm > > > > thinking "greenhouse" to grow food... and at -90f we're looking > at > > > quite a > > > > bit of moisture in the air freezing out, so how do you keep the > > > snow off > > > > the greenhouse? > > > > > > > > Heck, how do you build a greenhouse when the temps are that low? > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > misc_survivalism_moderated-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Group webpage: > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/misc_survivalism_moderated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Small business owners... 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